Episode #217: Our Social Media Influencer Experiences

This week, we’re sharing our experiences as social media influencers from the previous 10 years. We’re sharing how we grew our Instagram, how we earned cash influencing, our ideas for anybody who desires to get into social media influencing and lastly—why we’re taking a little bit of a pause from it in 2024.

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How we grew our IG to over 600K:

• We posted every day for greater than 10 years
• To achieve success you MUST put up regardless of the algorithm is prioritizing
• Viral content material is essential to development

Why we’re taking a pause from social media influencing:

• Manufacturers solely need video now
• Not sufficient time to do full-time running a blog and full-time influencing
• Can’t earn cash on posts—solely sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks

Sponsorship Execs:

• Could be profitable
• Enjoyable to work with manufacturers you’re keen on
• Number of work
• Forming relationships with nice folks

Sponsorship Cons:

• They’ll dry up attributable to financial system or altering developments
• It’s important to all the time be evolving to maintain attracting sponsors
• They’re primarily asking for one factor: movies.
• They’ll cancel your put up after you might have already achieved ALL the work
• They’ll make you reshoot content material for minuscule particulars
• Fast turnarounds

Affiliate Hyperlink Execs:

• You may promote something you need or use
• You don’t should have plenty of followers to earn cash
• You might have full artistic management over the way you share hyperlinks
• You might be by yourself schedule

Affiliate Hyperlink Cons:

• It takes a LOT of amount and repetition to develop an affiliate hyperlink enterprise
• Earnings are normally not constant
• The longevity of affiliate hyperlinks isn’t good

Our recommendation for individuals who need to earn cash influencing in 2024:

• Go exhausting with video (or regardless of the subsequent new characteristic/development turns into)
• Select properly if you wish to do excessive manufacturing or low manufacturing model
• Select sustainable content material you take pleasure in making and might do again and again
• Don’t take your self TOO severely

Ideas for creating wholesome boundaries:

• Remedy is nice
• Have a plan for if you come throughout poisonous folks
• Have a help system
• Have conversations about your boundaries

Largest recommendation—massive sister to little sister:

• Create a backup revenue … construct one thing that’s TRULY yours
• Social media earnings can fluctuate tremendously from 12 months to 12 months. At all times be planning your subsequent transfer!

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Episode 217 Transcript:

Emma: You’re listening to the Lovely Mess Podcast, your cozy consolation pay attention, and this week we’re sharing our experiences as social media influencers from the previous 10 years. We’re sharing how we grew our Instagram, how we earned cash influencing, our ideas for anybody who desires to get into social media influencing, and lastly, why we’re taking just a little little bit of a pause from it in 2024. Needs to be attention-grabbing, so let’s discuss it.

Elsie: Sure, must be an attention-grabbing episode, however earlier than we get into that, Woman Scout Cookies. So, the explanation we’re all nonetheless right here is the actual cause behind this podcast. So little Nova has been promoting Woman Scout cookies, so thanks to everybody who’s ordered. I’m gonna put the hyperlink on this week’s present notes once more in case you missed it. Or in case you’ve already eaten all of the packing containers. Simply kidding. Yeah, I’ve to place it on the market. I’m supporting my child. You perceive, proper? 

Emma: I feel it’s honest. I’d talked about to somebody that Nova was gonna have a hyperlink on our present notes and stuff. They’re like, oh, it’s so unfair. Like they have been kidding, after all, . However I used to be like, , although, she has sort of constructed just a little platform right here as a result of she’s been offering some a plus jokes, info, and meditations for fairly a while to our listeners. So I feel, yeah, purchase these cookies, folks. 

Elsie: I feel her tip jar is well-earned.

Emma: Sure, I feel so too. 

Elsie: Yeah. And I’ve to say, she’s so pleased with being part of the podcast. And he or she all the time asks folks in the event that they hear her half. If we ever meet somebody who says they pay attention, so it’s magical and I like it. Yeah, it’s superior. Okay, so on this episode, we’re going to cowl how we grew our Instagram to over 600k followers, why we’re taking a social media pause, and why we’re posting lower than we used to this 12 months. And the professionals and cons of social media sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks. We’ll share all types of all the things we learn about that and our recommendation for individuals who need to earn cash influencing in 2024. Like I’m going to share the recommendation of how I might say it. If my very own child needed to be an influencer. On this present period, yeah, social media, as you most likely know, isn’t our largest ardour, however it’s one thing that we fell into. It grew to become a profitable a part of our profession for greater than 10 years. We have been early adopters of Instagram. We posted there every day for greater than 10 years. Let’s begin with like what we discovered, and the way we grew our Instagram to over 600K followers. So we posted every day for greater than 10 years. An important key component is to put up regardless of the algorithm is prioritizing at the moment. So within the very starting, I don’t know if there like wasn’t an algorithm or if it was similar to you couldn’t see it and really feel it as a lot. To start with, it was a chronological feed, and so at that time, the principle driver is amount. So that you need to put up like each hour, as a lot as you’ll be able to to all the time be on the prime of, , folks’s scroll. So posting quite a bit was the factor, and , that has modified. And now presently on Instagram, viral movies are, are the entire, like, universe of that app and you’ll develop. Final 12 months I had a viral video that grew greater than 100, 000 followers from one video and that does occur. It’s so value it. In case your fundamental aim is making an attempt to develop on Instagram, then posting a number of movies which have an opportunity to be viral, so, , like, go together with a sure format. 

Emma: Yeah, I’d additionally say, like, for those who don’t know what the algorithm’s favoring, you’ll be able to usually, like, sort of choose it up simply from what it’s serving you. But additionally go on the Uncover web page, and there are particular packing containers on the Uncover web page which can be larger than others. These are getting extra emphasis they’re virtually all the time movies. So, that the algorithm is favoring movies, . Additionally, observe individuals who appear to be rising and see what they’re doing clearly don’t copy their actual content material however for those who discover that they’re doing plenty of tales and simply need you to know no matter you’ll be able to sort of take a look at methods in that approach.

Elsie: Yeah I imply, clearly you by no means need to copy somebody’s actual content material, however you’ll be able to simply copy the formulation that individuals use for making good movies, and I feel you must, in case your aim is to develop, then I feel you must get your Info from people who find themselves doing simply that. Yeah, I feel I took just a little course, truly, about how one can make a viral video. And I had a viral video, like, in a few weeks. And it was mainly like, give the start a hook, the place you see what you’re about to see extra of, and make all your cuts approach shorter and it labored, , so I feel that making video content material is a tremendous alternative for those who like it and also you’re good at it, and it’s one thing you’re taken with, then it’s your second for positive. And yeah, after all, the identical with TikTok. I additionally acquired all this, all of the followers I’ve on TikTok from one or two movies. It was a really attention-grabbing experiment for me. I’m glad that I skilled it. It’s not one thing that I, at this level in planning to place much more vitality and focus into, however it’s enjoyable and I get it. For those who’re an individual who’s similar to drawn to the concept of creating movies, then discovering methods to make, , plenty of movies without delay, make your workflow sooner, discover content material that, , is like simple and easy and sustainable so that you can make. I feel these are all issues to consider for positive.

Emma: Yeah. And I imply, I additionally assume like, we’re gonna discuss monetizing principally from sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks as these are the 2 fundamental methods, however I additionally assume like social media is a extremely cool place to market no matter it’s you do as a artistic individual, as a small enterprise proprietor, it truly is a cool alternative that didn’t exist earlier than social media was actually a factor. So I put that on the record of execs. So in case you are a author who desires to advertise their books, like me. Great spot to be doing it. If in case you have, , a ceramics enterprise and also you need to be promoting extra ceramics in your Etsy store, it is a place the place you’ll be able to sort of work on that. I don’t know if you’ll want to be as apprehensive about rising, rising, rising for those who’re not going to be getting sponsorships or using affiliate hyperlinks. However I do assume it’s a cool place to be advertising and it’s value some effort.

Elsie: I utterly agree. For those who’re like an writer or an artist, for instance, don’t fear about what number of followers you might have. Simply fear about like, making movies which have attain, the place you’re reaching new folks. I’ve purchased so many books from scrolling TikTok. BookTok is certainly one of my favourite issues about TikTok that like, retains me on there. It’s simply higher than Instagram. And it’s, like, actually entertaining, the movies that individuals make as authors and as readers. 

Emma: A few of my favourite Etsy outlets I discovered on Instagram. I noticed them making this stained glass factor, after which I purchased one, and, . So it’s a extremely cool place for that. However I wouldn’t fear a lot about massive numbers until you’re gonna be going after sponsorships. Simply take that stress off your plate for those who’re simply utilizing it to market. no matter work it’s that you simply do. 

Elsie: I utterly agree. Form of the one cause I can consider why it issues to have plenty of followers is to achieve sponsorships. And for those who’re not doing that, then similar to, strive to not care as a result of it’s not going to matter. So that is truly like a top level view level, mini-rant, Elsie desires to defend influencers. So that is like certainly one of my issues, it’s certainly one of my hills to die on. And one of many explanation why I’m like cautious, I haven’t even needed to say. Like we’re not doing social media as a lot anymore or the place it’s not a giant deal to us as a result of I really feel like if I say that I’m going to get so many messages affirming that social media just isn’t good and like I’m glad you’re not going to be an influencer anymore as a result of I don’t like them. Yeah. Like simply this sort of hateful vibe and likewise the way in which that influencers are portrayed in books. And films, however principally books are alarming. 

Emma: Not my guide.

Elsie: Not in Emma’s guide. I’ll say Emma’s guide, I really feel such as you portrayed them as regular and virtually boring, which I discover to be very true. 

Emma: Thanks.

Elsie: And yeah, like, , they’re similar to, they’re chill. They’re simply folks they’re doing a job. And the way in which that plenty of authors painting influencers is like I seen that they’ve to provide them another factor as proof that they’re individual, which sort of pisses me off. That sucks. It sucks that influencers are like, , it’s such as you instantly consider somebody who’s like a useless selfie individual or one thing like that. Prefer it’s in someway much less of a noble career than, , different extra actual professions. And it’s one thing that girls, and positively influencers and bloggers should cope with always is, , these sort of like actually ignorant stereotypes. 

Emma: Yeah, it’s ignorant. I additionally would simply say it’s sort of lazy. It’s similar to a foolish joke. We’d prefer to not give it some thought. So like, oh, these folks simply take selfies wherever they go. They’re simply useless, simply lazy. Similar to, , I feel the primary joke for meals bloggers is like, they write two paragraphs in the beginning about their journey to Italy or one thing, , and it’s like, it’s tremendous. It’s a humorous joke, however it’s truly fairly lazy. It’s like, oh, you don’t perceive what this trade is. Like all time I’m like, oh, you don’t perceive what we’re actually doing. That’s tremendous. It doesn’t actually matter. However influencers are literally like Elsie simply mentioned, I feel, actually rad, but additionally fairly regular and boring. There are people who find themselves simply, frankly, entertaining you for hours each single week.

Elsie: I need to defend them. Clearly, a few of my closest buddies are influencers. We’ve been influencers ourselves for greater than 10 years. Not all the time, like, proudly carrying the flag of the phrase influencer. It’s sort of, , I get it, it’s sort of awkward, however like I don’t know. I simply, need folks to know for those who haven’t met somebody or identified somebody personally in actual life, that it’s a very aggressive, hardworking subject of labor. There’s a lot that you must do totally free. 

Emma: You may be verbally abused greater than any server I’ve ever met. 

Elsie: Yeah. The verbal abuse score may be very excessive, and the quantity that individuals count on from you totally free or similar to really feel entitled to learn about your life and your kids and similar to all the things.

Emma: The boundaries are odd.

Elsie: The boundaries are tough. 

Emma: Yeah, effectively, I feel too, like, influencers are people. A few of them are fantastic, good folks. You received’t meet a nicer individual, and there are most likely some complete asses on there too. I don’t know. I imply, they’re all people. 

Elsie: I’ve by no means had that have. 

Emma: I haven’t actually both, to be sincere. 

Elsie: I’ve met tons of of influencers in my life, most likely 1000’s. Persons are good. Yeah. 

Emma: I’ll inform you what I can’t defend as simply although, the social media platforms themselves. I’m not the largest fan and I do have a couple of bones to choose with that, however that’s most likely a unique episode. However that I feel is a bit more like, perhaps there must be just a little extra guidelines and rules round. I feel they’re coming as a result of I really feel like there’s even a lawsuit proper now with MEDA that’s sort of about their youthful customers and a few issues they’ve achieved to not defend them particularly round like younger ladies and physique picture and issues of that nature. I additionally assume a number of the algorithms are geared, particularly in the direction of youthful girls, however typically are perhaps similar to, perhaps they don’t must be that addictive. Perhaps they don’t have to suck us in that approach and make us really feel so anxious on a regular basis. You realize, perhaps there’s one thing just a little bit damaged there. I feel most mother and father take into consideration this quite a bit as their children get to an age the place they’re like, ought to I allow them to have social media? You’re serious about its function in your life and whether or not has it been constructive. And it’s, , a difficult factor. Trigger like I mentioned earlier, I feel it’s a terrific alternative for small enterprise homeowners, and creatives to have a option to market themselves that they didn’t have earlier than. I additionally assume there are some drawbacks to it that I sort of want the businesses, the large firms making the entire cash would put just a little extra thought into for the general public. I feel that there may very well be just a little extra there and I’d prefer to see that sooner or later personally.

Elsie: Yeah. I feel that’s what legislation legal guidelines are for regulation, I feel is unquestionably coming in that house. And I feel nearly all of folks see a giant want for that. 

Emma: Yeah. After which I additionally assume it’s sort of just a little tousled that they don’t actually enable their content material creators to earn money until they do it on the facet by means of sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks. And, , I’ll simply level out, so, , we have now a publication for Lovely Mess. If Elsie and I write a publication and ship it out to our record, it’s going to go to your entire record. And a few folks may not learn it or they may determine to unsubscribe. That’s as much as them. However it goes to your entire record. Or, , the e-mail firm that we use, we use Flowdesk. There are different ones, MailChimp, MyEmma, no matter. They don’t determine simply to ship it to a small fraction of the record that we’ve created. It goes to the entire thing. On our Instagram account, they determine who will get to see the content material that we put out. We don’t get to determine that in any respect. And if we don’t play by their guidelines and do the issues that they need us to do, the addictive issues that their algorithm likes, folks received’t see our content material. And I feel that’s just a little tousled for content material creators, so I’m not a giant fan of it. I feel there may very well be a extra joyful medium someplace 

Elsie: Yeah, you must go together with the principles that they make and I feel you might have to have the ability to settle for that. Everyone knows there’s nothing extra annoying than listening to an influencer complain about Algorithms, , and it’s like, yeah, all of us steadily do this as a result of we simply do. However yeah, it’s like a lazy river, it’s like you must swim in the proper route always otherwise you’re fucked. Okay. I imply, you may outs swim it, however you’d get drained. Okay. So now let’s discuss, like, why we’re taking just a little extra of a pause from social media influencing. So we’re positively not quitting Instagram. Let me simply make that clear. It’s not gonna be thriving as a result of we’re not gonna put up, like, movies as a lot proper now, and I feel that the one option to be thriving proper now could be posting plenty of movies, however yeah, I feel that we will present up just a little bit extra if you wish to be like in our inside circle, although, the place to do this is our podcast. The following place after that’s our weblog, and the following place after that’s our publication, and the farthest risk is social media as a result of it’s simply not what we’re into. So let’s discuss why. To begin with, our journey with sponsorships. So for lots of years, we did Weblog posts and social media sponsorships. 

Emma: At first it was sort of an add-on. 

Elsie: Yeah, at first it was like a weblog put up and then you definitely point out it in your Instagram. So it was such as you simply take one of many footage and also you write a caption and that was all that it actually was. After which it grew to become, generally folks would ask for simply the Instagrams. Then extra not too long ago, most individuals began asking just for Instagram. That was sort of a tragic time for us as a result of we love running a blog and we’re actually good at it. For lots of merchandise, writing an extended weblog put up would profit them a lot multiple Instagram for sooner or later would.

Emma: So far as our skillset, and like what we’re good at. 

Elsie: And, , some folks nonetheless did it, however it simply grew to become just like the development, , no matter companies are asking for is what manufacturers are getting. And so they simply began asking just for social media movies. After which within the more moderen years, it grew to become simply movies. They solely needed reels, and at that time, that was positively the place we have been hitting our burnout wall, as a result of it’s plenty of stress to make sponsored reels that do effectively with, , the concerns of just like the algorithm, the size, the exhibiting the merchandise, making it like a pure. Additionally, the video was by no means our fundamental expertise or our prime expertise.

Emma: I’m extra of a photographer or videographer.

Elsie: Yeah, like we take pleasure in it, however we’re not like glorious at it like the way in which some individuals are. So I feel that that’s positively one of many explanation why we began to get fewer sponsors, we simply know that in 2022, we acquired, like, most likely half of the provides that we acquired in 2021. After which in 2023, it acquired even worse. Then by the top of 2023, we acquired some fairly good provides through the holidays. And we simply mentioned no to them as a result of we weren’t within the headspace anymore. And we have been like, truly, we’re good with like sort of phasing this out. And now it’s not that we wouldn’t take a sponsor, however we most likely wouldn’t take a sponsor. 

Emma: Nicely, and , this autumn is plenty of when some larger ones come as a result of they’re utilizing the top of the 12 months funds and there’s vacation time so there’s extra advertising funds anyway. And for us, we simply do have much less time faculty begins to shut, , there’s vacation stuff to do with children and that’s a precedence for us as we’ve talked about earlier than. So it simply makes it that if you’ll want to be a workaholic in December, it simply doesn’t suit your life anymore. 

Elsie: Yeah, like, I cherished this December. We stopped working, I don’t know, round, like, the fifteenth to the twentieth, someplace in that zone, and we didn’t work once more till the brand new 12 months, and, I imply, I did, I labored, like, most likely for, like, 20 minutes a day. That’s nothing in comparison with working full-time. And it was nice, I imply, We scheduled posts forward, so we nonetheless had stuff going up, however, yeah, having that sort of flexibility is one thing {that a} full-time social media creator isn’t going to have in December. So, that was immense, like, that’s an enormous improve to our life-style at this level. So, yeah, we’ll discuss extra concerning the execs and cons. Okay. So, video content material, yeah, that’s one of many explanation why I like doing it. I assume what I need to clarify to folks Is that if you concentrate on like all of your favourite social media influencers, like take into consideration like three, okay? Similar to give your self a minute to consider three individuals who you’re keen on following on social media, and it’s very doubtless that none of them could have web sites that they replace every single day. Social media influencing is its personal profession and running a blog is its personal separate profession and there are very only a few individuals who do each full-time. We have been doing that for a very long time greater than 10 years however the cause we have been ready to do this is as a result of we had a workforce and we had plenty of help. So it’s not one thing that I feel we ever would or might or would need to attempt to do alone. So, yeah, after we had an opportunity to do exactly running a blog, we sort of jumped for that as a result of it’s extra sustainable. We talked about that within the final episode. And it’s simply extra what we take pleasure in. Social media is extra of a hamster wheel, I can’t say the phrase hamster wheel sufficient after I discuss social media.

Emma: We all the time name it that behind the scenes, we’re all the time like, we gotta get off this hamster wheel. 

Elsie: It truly is. It’s like you must run so quick to maintain your wheel spinning, , simply to maintain the cash coming in and, , hold the content material going out. And, , you’re going to be doing all of that with a ton of verbal abuse coming into your DMs, folks questioning, like, , your ethics and, like, your ethical fiber as a human and issues like that.

Emma: And why you’re not writing about present occasions if you’re not a journalist and perhaps haven’t even heard about it but since you’re simply doing all of your job and taking your children to high school. You’re like, I don’t know. So, there’s all these issues too. So after we say hamster wheel, perhaps we must always clarify that just a little extra and like passive revenue as a result of I feel to us, it’s apparent, and possibly most listeners it’s. So after I take into consideration passive revenue, what I imply is I make some piece of labor after which I make revenue off of it for an extended time frame, perhaps not without end. So the time that I, , spend just isn’t linked to my work. So after I work for somebody, if I’m an worker someplace, my time and my cost are sort of linked, proper? So I’ve to indicate as much as work to receives a commission. Hopefully, you might have employer who provides you sick days and issues of that nature. However typically, for those who don’t present up for those who don’t put your time in, you don’t receives a commission. That’s the way it works. So passive revenue is the alternative of that. You create one thing and then you definitely attempt to earn money off of it for a very long time. So folks do that in all types of various methods. The principle approach the funding world that individuals discuss is like proudly owning properties and being a landlord. I feel it’s also possible to do it with digital merchandise or different forms of merchandise you can promote again and again. For us, running a blog is turning into increasingly of a passive revenue as a result of we attempt to write weblog posts which can be going to be on the prime of the search for a very long time and are going to be helpful to folks for a very long time. So we will earn money from our CPM-based advertisements on these pages for years into the longer term, probably. And it’s not completely passive. We’ve to maintain our web site up to date. We’ve to make it possible for our web site has good internet hosting doesn’t go down or continues to be very usable. You realize, if we didn’t contact it for 5 years, like actually in any respect, that most likely wouldn’t be good. I doubt the well being of our web site could be good, but when we’re in a position to do plenty of the work, , upfront after which simply sort of keep it, then it turns into passive revenue. Social media doesn’t actually provide the similar alternatives for that proper now. Perhaps this may change sooner or later, I don’t know. However in the mean time, sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks are your fundamental methods to earn money, and that sort of roughly expire slash is tied to your time. So if I make a extremely cool sponsored put up, let’s say it’s a reel, I receives a commission no matter I used to be contracted , we’ve agreed to a value, they pay me. My reel goes up. That’s that. Now, if I need to earn more money, I have to go discover a new sponsor or make one other piece of content material for that sponsor or no matter else. I’m not going to earn more money sooner or later off of that reel. It’s a achieved deal. Even when it goes viral, it’s not essentially going to make me more cash simply immediately as a result of it doesn’t have advertisements on the web page. There’s no approach that social media permits you to do this. That’s simply not an choice proper now. Affiliate hyperlinks are sort of the identical approach. If I put these in a put up on my grid, or if I put them in my tales, tales particularly, it’s going to expire. Even grid posts, even when they go viral, over time, they’re simply not one thing folks click on on or click on by means of. So these affiliate hyperlinks aren’t going to maintain incomes me cash essentially. 

Elsie: No, I’ve had a number of instances after I stopped posting affiliate hyperlinks and it goes down so tiny to love mainly nothing if you’re not posting them recurrently every single day. Okay. So I put down some execs and cons. So we’ll do sponsorships after which we’ll do affiliate hyperlinks as a result of yeah, I feel similar to explaining what it’s love to do the job would assist inform people who find themselves, like, serious about it, or, , somebody who’s making an attempt to get into it. And plenty of instances you don’t know the professionals and cons till you’re, like, doing it, which is unlucky. Okay, so sponsorship execs. It may be very profitable. There have been instances when our sponsorships made greater than every other a part of our enterprise, and they could be a massive one. It may be actually enjoyable to work with manufacturers you’re keen on. A few of the proudest instances in my early running a blog profession have been getting sponsorships for manufacturers that have been cool to work with.

Emma: Yeah. That you just idolize. That’s like enjoyable. 

Elsie: Yeah. You get to do an enormous number of work. So we’ve achieved social media posts, after all, and weblog posts, however we’ve additionally achieved paid occasions. We’ve achieved this factor known as SMTs, which is sort of a satellite tv for pc media tour, the place you want, you be on the information. We did one, like holding Kahlua bottles and stuff, and we did like seven or 10 information interviews in a row throughout the nation. Generally folks would simply pay us to do like a Pinterest pin. There’s simply an enormous number of methods folks can sponsor you. Or are there any extra execs you need to add? 

Emma: I feel it may be enjoyable to love work with, like we’ve had some relationships that developed through the years that have been actually constructive, like simply very nice folks both on the firm or on the company that labored with the corporate. So that may be a professional too. You will discover simply very nice those that you find yourself working with. 

Elsie: Sponsorship cons. To allow them to dry up immediately attributable to financial modifications. It occurred through the pandemic. There are even seasonal funds modifications the place this time of 12 months folks received’t get as many sponsorships, and when you’ve got main bills, you might be in a nasty place if that’s your fundamental revenue. You all the time should hold evolving to maintain attracting sponsors, so it’s enjoyable to evolve when it’s your selection and if you need to, however if you discover one thing that you simply’re good at, that you simply take pleasure in doing, after which it simply now not works, that’s irritating. And if you really feel the stress to do issues that you simply wouldn’t ever select simply to maintain attracting sponsors, that’s difficult. After which, for us, plenty of it was movies in recent times, the principle factor sponsors ask for is movies. And we simply discovered them not as enjoyable, simple, or pleasing to work on as weblog posts and picture content material up to now. After which, that is one thing that I feel lots of people don’t know, that I need folks to know, particularly for those who’re simply entering into it. However manufacturers can cancel your put up after you’ve already achieved all of the work. And that does occur sort of steadily. 

Emma: And you may have a contract, however , on the finish of the day, if somebody breaches a contract, your choices are to sue them, which prices cash, or I don’t know, put up about it on-line. However I feel that’s dangerous for a complete bunch of various causes.

Elsie: Yeah. And plenty of instances your put up will fall by means of, this is quite common if you’ve already put in half of the work. So simply to even safe a put up and begin a contract, you normally should current a full idea. And generally, , you set plenty of work into that. After which, , they cancel the put up after that, or they are saying perhaps, after which it turns right into a no. So I feel it’s vital to know that there’s plenty of additional work, like, for each sponsored put up that goes up. There are various extra that fell by means of, the place you kinda midway began it after which didn’t get to finish it. Additionally, manufacturers can ask you to reshoot your content material for minuscule particulars, like minuscule particulars.

Emma: Yeah, issues that matter to them, like, , exhibiting the model label extra or one thing of that nature. 

Elsie: Yeah. Like, I’ve heard of individuals having to reshoot off of, like, having the incorrect shade of nails, or they didn’t just like the outfit they have been carrying, or issues like that, and it’s sort of similar to an opinion towards an opinion, and finally, since they’re the one holding the carrot, you must do, .

Emma: Carrot it’s the paycheck.

Elsie: Yeah. In order that’s positively a con reshooting is quite common. And for me, it was like all the time very irritating after I felt like I had already accomplished one thing and checked it off my record after which got here to search out on the market’s like a technique you mentioned a phrase that they didn’t like or one thing like that. And you must do the entire thing once more. It is going to soften your mind. 

Emma: One different con I’ll say is that, and this isn’t all the time, however usually they’re sort of fast turnarounds as a result of they may have, , some sort of marketing campaign they’re working, or perhaps they’re having a sale on their web site or one thing of that nature. It’s well timed. You realize, they’re doing their spring content material they usually is likely to be mailing you a product that’s going to be featured in your sponsored content material. And so it takes time. It comes within the mail. After which you must shoot it after which you must get approvals and that takes time. You may’t simply, , perhaps they’ll approve it in an hour, however most likely not, there are people too who’ve work hours. So then there’s that. After which if there are any modifications, so on and so forth. So it simply makes it the place you sort of should be just a little bit on name as you’re doing a sponsored piece. And that was quite a bit simpler earlier than I had children as a result of now my schedule is much more depending on, , if somebody has a sick day or if daycare is closed or one thing like that, then I simply can’t actually work or I’ve to inform my accomplice he can’t work in order that I can get my factor achieved, which is, , one thing you do. However it’s simply, , a factor that’s just a little bit, it’s much less versatile. Life is rather less versatile as you do sponsored content material that has fast turns. And so they are inclined to, and it is sensible why they do, they’re not being imply, it’s simply the way it works, . 

Elsie: Like think about that you’re about to go on trip, so that you full all your work, flip it in, after which when you’re on the airport, you get an e-mail that asks you to do one thing else you can’t do anymore, like that’s the kind of irritating factor that occurs fairly usually in that kind of labor. After which it’s like, you’ll be able to attempt to negotiate. You may attempt to arise for your self and it generally works and it generally doesn’t. 

Emma: Or you may attempt to transfer the date. But when they’re having a sale or they’re, , if it’s one thing well timed for them, it could not work. So yeah, it’s simply tough. 

Elsie: Okay. So let’s discuss just a little bit about affiliate hyperlinks. The largest platform known as LTK up to now it was known as reward model, however now it’s, I feel it’s formally solely known as LTK. Additionally, the Amazon associates program is a really massive program as effectively. So these are the principle two packages that we have now achieved and been concerned with. In order that’s simply the principle ones that we’ll discuss trigger there’s most likely 100 extra. We simply don’t have expertise with them. So affiliate hyperlink execs. Nicely, okay first I ought to say, that there are individuals who make a top-level full-time revenue from affiliate hyperlinks. It may be very profitable, however I feel it’s sort of like sponsorships. It’s important to do an enormous quantity of buildup earlier than you get to that time the place you’ll be able to earn that like a physician’s wage. So that you do should put in normally a 12 months or years of labor. Both approach, to have the ability to construct up up to now.

Emma: It’s a ability too, as a result of basically what you’re doing is promoting, proper? You’re recommending merchandise that you simply like and also you’re promoting it to your viewers. So one, you’ve constructed an viewers, two, you’ve constructed belief with them, and three, you’re good at promoting. And never everybody’s naturally good at promoting. And also you’re additionally promoting on platforms the place you’re making like movies of the issues or . There are only a lot of expertise concerned that I feel folks don’t know. 

Elsie: The extra comfy you’re with promoting, the extra profitable you’ll most likely be with affiliate hyperlinks. 

Emma: Which is why I’m doing so good promoting Nova’s Woman Scout cookies as a result of I actually imagine in it. 

Elsie: Sure! Okay, affiliate hyperlink execs and that is type of like evaluating it to sponsorships just a little bit. The primary professional is I like you can promote something you need to, something you select. So the cool factor about it’s, like, if you work in sponsorships, you’ll be able to spend plenty of time making an attempt to attend for a dream sponsor, making an attempt to draw a dream sponsor, you’re posting about them, like, hoping they’ll discover you, issues like that. However with affiliate hyperlinks, even with a small following, you’ll be able to go forward and simply begin promoting no matter factor is, you’re keen on this sure kind of pan or this sure kind of curling iron or no matter. You may simply begin promoting it and earning profits, , regardless of what number of followers you might have. Yeah. That’s a giant alternative there and with viral movies, it really works nice as a result of it doesn’t matter what number of followers you might have anymore. It simply issues if you may get your movies viral. 

Emma: And I feel to indicate the product in like a light-weight the place individuals are going to search out it fascinating. So exhibiting how nice the curling iron is, or I watch plenty of content material about organizing and I’m like, Oh, this factor that goes beneath the sink that holds all of the, , I’m like, I see you’re exhibiting me precisely why I need this. And , Yep. So it’s such as you’re doing a terrific job promoting it to me. So that you’d be good at that. 

Elsie: Completely. Yeah. So you’ll be able to earn cash with fewer followers. One other factor that’s cool about affiliate hyperlinks is you might have full artistic management over the way you share your hyperlinks. For those who work with the model, they’ll most likely ship you a quick. They’ll ask you to, like, do, like, a spring theme or do a Christmas theme or no matter their entire factor is at that second. They’ll ask you to observe sure specs, and for those who do affiliate hyperlinks, you are able to do it nevertheless you need, which is simpler as a result of plenty of instances nevertheless you need is simply what you’re already doing at your property. So it similar to takes out plenty of steps of getting to love match sure, like if you watch sponsored posts you most likely don’t know, however individuals are checking plenty of packing containers even of what phrases to make use of. What colours they’re allowed to put on? 

Emma: The size of the video. 

Elsie: Sure. What kind of music, and if you do affiliate hyperlinks, you’ll be able to select all of that stuff or similar to sort of not care and do no matter you have already got occurring, which I like. After which one other factor I like about it’s that it may be by yourself schedule. So if it’s January when you might have essentially the most time, that’s not a time of 12 months when plenty of sponsors are reaching out. You would have, , January be your largest month of the 12 months that you simply make affiliate content material. And it wouldn’t matter, , and it’s also possible to make content material forward for different elements of the 12 months with out having to fret about if it’s going to be accepted or not since you’re the one one approving it. So, it’s just a bit extra, like, versatile and environment friendly. And I’ll say that LTK Is a large alternative. There are many individuals who make greater than 1,000,000 {dollars} a 12 months on LTK, however I don’t assume it’s like simple by any stretch of the creativeness. I feel it’s actually, actually exhausting. 

Emma: We don’t make 1,000,000 {dollars} a 12 months.

Elsie: No, it’s not. It’s not us. It’s not us. Yeah. It’s doable although. Okay. So affiliate hyperlink cons. So right here’s what we predict is unhealthy about affiliate hyperlinks. Yeah. It takes plenty of high quality and repetition to develop your enterprise in any respect. So the commissions, you’ll get commissions for all the things you promote, however they’re tiny and it takes a very long time for them to construct up. So if you first begin, you may need per week the place you earn like 27 {dollars} and that may be like a giant week for you of working quite a bit. And that sucks. Like, that’s a con for positive. And , you’re doing it within the hopes that by You realize, you’re following a mannequin that may very well be extra profitable sooner or later, however there’s not a assure of that. And you must put in plenty of work totally free. One other factor that’s con is that the earnings will not be constant. So that you don’t have management. There are plenty of manufacturers on LTK the place the commissions go up and down. So that you is likely to be doing so effectively, like sharing the garments you obtain from Madewell, however then they may flip their fee right down to a decrease stage once they have a giant sale, which additionally occurs to be if you promote essentially the most stuff as a result of it’s simpler to promote throughout a giant sale, and that’s one thing to remember is that , it’s extremely inconsistent, and it’s actually like a amount technique. You simply should be placing out big portions of affiliate hyperlinks to earn bigger portions of cash. The opposite factor is you must be comfy promoting on-line and have a knack for it. There are folks on TikTok who you’ll be able to inform this, like their entire factor all day, every single day, they’re like promoting vacuums and little cleaners and little, , these little scrub brushes which have an extended neck for some cause, like issues like that, , they usually simply make tons and tons of movies, put up the identical movies again and again. And it’s working for them. So I feel that it’s one thing that must be one thing that you simply had time put aside for and house in your life to be like all the time analyzing and sort of maintaining with these methods. 

Emma: Yeah. I feel sort of like our weblog, how we have now our personal little technique with it, and folks from the surface trying in, we talked about this within the final episode, may not get it. I feel it’s related generally with an affiliate you may take a look at somebody for those who observe them very persistently You is likely to be like that is so repetitious however for those who’re like an off-the-cuff follower, it most likely doesn’t really feel that approach and also you’re most likely extra doubtless to purchase to be sincere as a result of I purchase stuff from folks’s affiliate hyperlinks on a regular basis, and it’s normally very random It’s similar to, I’m like, Oh yeah, I do want that, click on. 

Elsie: I imply, I all the time purchase issues from hyperlinks. If I’m like gonna take a look at, I feel it’s like a pleasant factor to do ’trigger they’re working actually, actually exhausting for the cash. It’s not a straightforward job. I don’t know if I might say which one I feel is more durable. They’re each exhausting. We positively made more cash from sponsorships by means of the years. For those who simply need like our clear disclosure. So that is the recommendation I might inform my very own children. In the event that they need to grow to be an influencer in 2024 once they’re too younger they usually’re not even on social media, don’t fear, they’re not saying they need to do something like that. 

Emma: No, nobody’s engaged on her, her Woman Scout cookie aim.

Elsie: They need to be like an artist and a princess. However simply in idea, if somebody who was near me requested me like, do you truthfully assume I ought to do it? And I believed that they had a knack for it. You realize, I might be encouraging in some methods. Like, I feel that Influencing has advanced quite a bit first by means of the years. There are issues that we by no means even thought could be a possibility that changed into an enormous alternative in a while. And plenty of instances our work snowballed into different tasks and there was, , and it was thrilling and it was enjoyable. It was artistic and I’ve no regrets about what we did with our profession in our twenties and thirties, however I might give them the warning that that is work that doesn’t have good longevity. It’s not passive revenue. There’s nothing about influencing that I might name passive revenue. It’s like exhausting work that you must hold working exhausting without end to maintain incomes cash. 

Emma: You do get to be your individual boss in plenty of methods. Yeah. So like, that’s cool. However no, it’s not passive. 

Elsie: In idea, for those who have been profitable, you may rent an assistant or a workforce to make it extra passive for you, however it’s all the time going to be one thing that somebody has to maintain some wheels turning to maintain incomes cash. So yeah, that’s the factor that I feel is simply the largest draw back of social media influencer work, after which clearly, like, simply the shortage of respect and human decency that you simply obtain is fairly tough.

Emma: That’s the principle factor I might say, is like, I feel sure character varieties might be on-line greater than others, and I don’t imply that as any sort of diss to any explicit character kind. I simply assume the web generally is a little little bit of a harsh place. And so for some folks, I don’t assume it’s a wholesome place for them to be on a regular basis and also you sort of should be on-line quite a bit if you wish to earn money on-line, you’ll want to perceive what’s occurring on social media, what the algorithm desires and like maintaining with, for those who’re doing affiliate hyperlinks, all of the gross sales and various things that the businesses that you simply love are doing sponsorships, you’ll want to perceive like what content material goes to do effectively along with your viewers and the way it’s going to suit along with your sponsors and so forth and so forth. So that you’re simply gonna should be on-line quite a bit. And for those who don’t need to be on social media on a regular basis, then this isn’t going to be job for you. It’s going to make you are feeling unhappy and anxious. However I feel some individuals are completely tremendous with it. They’re in a position to have, like, these actually cool boundaries with it and simply, , like, That is my job, I do it and I get off. And folks say what they need to say and I don’t actually care. And it’s like, that’s cool for those who acquired that going, then you definitely’re good, you’re golden. 

Elsie: I feel that you simply simply have to proceed with the warning and the warning that somebody instructed you this isn’t a straightforward job. Like, I simply don’t like that it’s portrayed as a straightforward job, as a result of it’s simply sort of not. Perhaps for those who have been like a celeb, or so like, okay, think about for those who’re like a B record celeb who already has a pair million followers or like 10 million followers. For them, I feel, an influencer facet job is sort of a no brainer as a result of they have already got an agent. They don’t should construct a following. I feel that for them, it may very well be perhaps considerably of a straightforward profitable job. And I see why plenty of them do it, I completely get it. I feel that that’s additionally a part of why we don’t have as many sponsors as we used to as a result of plenty of B-list celebrities type of like took over influencing, which is nice for them. I genuinely am so joyful for them. However for individuals who have to start out from scratch, it’s plenty of work, like most individuals, it takes years to construct a following, and the quantity that’s thought of a powerful following goes up each single 12 months. So it may be like a carrot that you simply’re chasing without end. 

Emma: Yeah, it may be.

Elsie: So let’s go on to the positives. So that is the recommendation that I might give to folks if you wish to earn cash influencing in 2024, both you’re already doing it and also you need to perform a little extra otherwise you need to begin, right here’s our recommendation. The very first thing is to go actually exhausting with video or no matter new characteristic turns into the following development after that, however proper now it’s positively video. I feel if you wish to develop a much bigger following, you sort of should put up movies recurrently and no matter frequency that you simply’re in a position to and get into some extent the place you take pleasure in it or it’s enjoyable for you the place , it doesn’t really feel such as you’re simply checking packing containers. It feels such as you’re constructing one thing that you simply take pleasure in.

Emma: Yeah, you gotta discover your approach with it. 

Elsie: The following factor I might do is select very properly if you wish to do a excessive manufacturing model or a low manufacturing model. After I watch on Tiktok, the individuals who do the movies the place they’re speaking and placing on make-up, It appears sort of simpler than plenty of the movies we’ve achieved the place, , you’re like portray a complete room or one thing on digicam. Like, select very properly which one you assume you’d be capable to do recurrently again and again. You realize what I imply? Whenever you’re establishing your factor, I feel it’s good to decide on one thing that you may do with very excessive frequency. 

Emma: Yeah. And I’ll say that’s sort of exhausting as a result of I by no means would have guessed that in 2008, or 2009 after I began my first meals weblog, I nonetheless proper now in 2024 would love meals running a blog. Like truthfully, that’s simply fortunate. Yeah. So, , do your greatest with it, however it’s sort of exhausting to foretell the longer term. Generally our pursuits change. We’re all simply people, and so that you sort of should let your self do this. 

Elsie: I agree, and I’ll say I’ve identified tons of people that utterly modified course. My largest recommendation, that is like massive sister to little sister, crucial takeaway of this episode, so please pay attention. I urge of you. In case you are somebody who works in social media, create a backup revenue, and construct one thing that’s really yours. Social media earnings can fluctuate tremendously from 12 months to 12 months. You realize, we don’t know what’s gonna occur with the financial system. With, , our personal repute or different issues, like there’s a number of issues that might occur sooner or later that may not be nice in your influencer enterprise. I’ll say our social media was the principle leverage that we needed to launch seven profitable apps all through the 30s, which was its personal exhausting enterprise with its personal journey, however I’m so glad that we constructed different incomes on the facet, , and we didn’t solely depend on sponsorships as our fundamental revenue. 

Emma: Yeah. And simply typically, for those who’re in an period the place issues are going effectively for you financially, then like find out about private finance. If that hasn’t been part of your background, perhaps you already discovered all that. Perhaps your mother and father taught you, perhaps no matter. Superior. You’re good. If not, get some books about it. Take a look at Ramit. He does, I’ll train you to be wealthy. There are all types of different sources to mainly make investments your cash and discover methods to make your cash be just right for you as a result of there might come a day when your enterprise dries up or modifications in drastic methods or your priorities change as a human and also you’re going to need to just be sure you invested your cash properly alongside the way in which.

Elsie: Yeah, we’d have been so screwed when our sponsorships dried up, if that have been our fundamental and solely revenue. So, earlier than we wrap up our social media recommendation, we thought we’d simply share some ideas for creating wholesome boundaries as a result of plenty of being profitable at social media is having the longevity and psychological well being to maintain no matter might come your approach. So, inform us a few of your ideas Em. 

Emma: Nicely, remedy’s nice, so I extremely advocate that. So only for the report, any work surroundings might be sort of poisonous. It’s not that we predict social media is the one one. I’ve had buddies who had actually horrible workplaces, horrible bosses, who have been verbally abusive to them and issues like that. I simply assume you sort of should know social media. That can for positive occur. Simply put together your self with a plan for a way you’re going to deal with it when it does. And it will probably occur in different places too. In order that recommendation is for anybody actually. So yeah, remedy is actually good. I feel too, like discovering your self sources, for those who are typically just a little little bit of a folks pleaser, which I feel virtually everyone seems to be to some extent, some greater than others. Form of have to search out some books, sources, buddies, and family members you can discuss to, and set your self up a help system as a result of the extra profitable you’re on social media, the extra you should have individuals who dislike you, who dislike the content material you make or assault you personally, or, , assume that you simply’re a nasty individual or, , you’ll run the gamut of issues they’ll say to you the extra profitable you’re. So that you’ve acquired to have some boundaries in place for a way you’re going to deal with that, the way you’re going to let it make you are feeling for those who’re going to let your self have breaks, issues of that nature. After which, I feel too, if you’re doing sponsorships, setting wholesome boundaries out of the gate as you’re employed with folks, whether or not it’s an worker or whether or not it’s a sponsor. So issues like contracts might be very useful. However I additionally assume simply having conversations round what number of instances you’ll reshoot one thing, what occurs if, , this or that state of affairs may come up by no means hurts to ask questions. It’s not awkward. It’s okay to say, what ought to I do for those who don’t pay me after 90 days? What recourse will I’ve? See what they are saying. There are all types of various areas that I feel we have now to guard ourselves and have boundaries. 

Elsie: Yeah, we hope this episode was useful. So we have now a voicemail query, so let’s go forward and play that. 

Voicemail: Hey Elsie, hey Emma, that is Kate from South Florida. We’re shifting again as much as being your loved ones, within the Tampa Bay space, and we have now purchased an satirically like a pseudo-historical house alone home. Full with just like the third ground as much as the attic end scenario. My query, nevertheless, is we have now all the time gone with a extra conventional, very, very washable couch scenario, and this home screams historic colours like greens and I imply, I feel actually browns and wealthy woods. We’ve stable oak all through the home. So my query is that this if we’re to go together with a settee and we have now by no means gone with shade is a velvet inexperienced couch. A stable selection and is it technically sort of impartial as a result of I feel it may very well be after which I assume actually the livability. We’ve a big doodle and a 4-year-old. Yeah, you might have plenty of expertise with coloured sofas and velvet. So please give me your heads up as to what you guys assume.

Elsie: Hello, Kate. Thanks a lot for this query. That is actually enjoyable. Your home sounds wonderful, by the way in which. I’m excited to see it. Ship us an image. So for those who haven’t already ordered, I’ll inform you what I feel are the professionals and cons of a velvet sofa. So my private favourite pet-friendly sofa is leather-based. I like leather-based couches, however I do know that perhaps you’re vegan, or perhaps you similar to don’t just like the look of leather-based. I feel that velvet is nice. I feel that it’s washable. It’s fairly forgiving. It’s extra forgiving than linen or one thing like that. However it does get imperfections, texture imperfections, after which sagginess, I might say is like the principle factor {that a} velvet sofa can get, which I feel for those who’re a pillow individual might be okay. My opinion of the way it appears greatest is sort of a darkish sofa in a darkish room, a light-weight sofa in a light-weight room in order that it blends. I feel if you put it on excessive distinction, then you definitely’ll see these imperfections extra. 

Emma: I might agree. I additionally would, I’m positive you already really feel this manner, Kate, however , with canines, with children, life, , it’s simply going to mess up your stuff. It’s a part of it. So embrace the pillows and the throw blankets and, , purchase, the cleaner. What’s the one, Folex? I really feel like that one’s actually good with canines. Not hair, however like different, different messes. And personally, I feel a inexperienced velvet sofa sounds superior, so I’m into it. 

Elsie: Yeah, I had one at an Airbnb. I by no means had one in my house, I don’t assume. Yeah, I feel they’re fairly. 

Emma: Airbnb, that tells that it most likely holds up fairly effectively. 

Elsie: I say go for it. All proper! Okay, let’s move it over to Nova for her section. Hey Nova, what do you might have for us this week? 

Nova: A reality. 

Elsie: A reality? Okay, I’m excited. 

Nova: Do you know the primary Olympic Video games have been held in historic Greece? 

Elsie: Whoa, that sounds actually cool. I want I might see it. 

Nova: Yeah, I feel it’s cool. 

Elsie: Thanks, Nova! 

Nova: Bye, I’ll see you subsequent week.

Elsie: Thanks a lot for listening. We had a lot enjoyable sharing about our social media period. We’d love to listen to your strategies for subjects for future episodes. Ship us an e-mail at [email protected] along with your request. And subsequent week we can be again with an absolute banger rewatch podcast. It’ll be Harry Potter week subsequent week, so we are going to see you then.

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